Moderator Joshpantera Posted January 26, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: I don't care what it does as long you understand Jesus is our only way out of this. A figment of your own active imagination ISN'T, nor can be, the way out of anything objectively speaking. This is all 100% make believe. The entire apologetic's exist within your mind, not anyone else's. It's subjective to you and not universal to everyone. And this subjective belief problem of yours is preventing you from seeing anything objectively. You're blind to objectivity right now. Some of us used to be blind as well. But we see it now. We've broken out of similar mental states that you are currently experiencing. Meaning that we have the personal experience of being both in similar shoes to yourself (presupposition and subjective belief) and breaking out of it and opening out our worldviews and perspectives. You don't know or understand us, but we know and understand you all too well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christianchat_Chat Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Joshpantera said: A figment of your own active imagination ISN'T, nor can be, the way out of anything objectively speaking. This is all 100% make believe. The entire apologetic's exist within your mind, not anyone else's. It's subjective to you and not universal to everyone. And this subjective belief problem of yours is preventing you from seeing anything objectively. You're blind to objectivity right now. Some of us used to be blind as well. But we see it now. We've broken out of similar mental states that you are currently experiencing. Meaning that we have the personal experience of being both in similar shoes to yourself (presupposition and subjective belief) and breaking out of it and opening out our worldviews and perspectives. You don't know or understand us, but we know and understand you all too well. I'm sure you've heard of something called projection? but the vigilance must be towards ourselves to see it in ourselves . we know not what another knows (necessarily/depending/are we all-knowing?) if we don't 'know'. and we don't know their mind (necessarily/depending/do we understand what they understand? or only think/believe we do?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I'm no longer bothering with Joe. But when I see Ex-Christians and sceptics asking Christians to prove their beliefs with science it's time for me to remind them that the only branch of science that uses proofs is mathematics. In case any Ex-Christians or sceptics didn't hear me the first, second, third or however many times I've said it in this forum, I'll shout it out loud. THERE ARE NO PROOFS IN EXPERIMENTAL OR OBSERVATIONAL SCIENCE! So, please stop asking Christians to prove their beliefs with science. Thank you. Walter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alreadyGone Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, WalterP said: I'm no longer bothering with Joe. .... Aw Walter... Joe's no bother. I am beginning to suspect that he is a RCC priest though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LogicalFallacy Posted January 26, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, pittsburghjoe said: It is you that claims I have to prove God exists first. I'm saying you use science to arrive at a God. The end goal is the same. And here we have a misunderstanding of the burden of proof. Shock horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LogicalFallacy Posted January 26, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, WalterP said: I'm no longer bothering with Joe. But when I see Ex-Christians and sceptics asking Christians to prove their beliefs with science it's time for me to remind them that the only branch of science that uses proofs is mathematics. In case any Ex-Christians or sceptics didn't hear me the first, second, third or however many times I've said it in this forum, I'll shout it out loud. THERE ARE NO PROOFS IN EXPERIMENTAL OR OBSERVATIONAL SCIENCE! So, please stop asking Christians to prove their beliefs with science. Thank you. Walter. Most people are using the colloquial version of "proof" in the context of 'proving God'. While I agree with the technicality of your post Walter, getting upset about it in this thread is a waste of time IMO. Our current Christian is not of high enough quality to make the distinction worth fighting over. Most people, when they say proof, they mean perponderance evidence supporting the conclusion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 You can't have direct evidence ..that ruins the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Joshpantera Posted January 26, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2021 29 minutes ago, WalterP said: So, please stop asking Christians to prove their beliefs with science. Thank you. Walter. The bottom line is that the christians are dealing with something that remains un-provable, as the existence of god isn't something that they can prove with science or math. So the big takeaway here is that it's nonsensical to argue with people about the existence of god when it's beyond anything that you CAN prove. So christians ought to learn to keep their subjective beliefs to themselves, and don't bother trying to argue, arguments, which are beyond successfully arguing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christianchat_Chat Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 41 minutes ago, alreadyGone said: Aw Walter... Joe's no bother. I am beginning to suspect that he is a RCC priest though. i didn't know that preists believed these kind of things. but if he is, i would say to him that - preistcraft is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christianchat_Chat Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, Christianchat_Chat said: i didn't know that preists believed these kind of things. but if he is, i would say to him that - preistcraft is wrong. .. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 33 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: You can't have direct evidence ..that ruins the test. You can't have indirect evidence either. In fact, there is and can be no evidence of your claims here at all. And that provides you with pseudo-intellectual cover beneath which you're safe to begin spinning your next fairy-tale-backed-by-the-supposition-of-science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted January 26, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Christianchat_Chat said: we know not what another knows (necessarily/depending/are we all-knowing?) if we don't 'know'. and we don't know their mind (necessarily/depending/do we understand what they understand? or only think/believe we do?). Are you related to Edgarcito? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Joe, you got video links... I got video links... It's 2021.... "all God's children" got video links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christianchat_Chat Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 21 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Are you related to Edgarcito? not sure that i am. but if our thought waves are similar.. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 My thoughts often waver.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator LogicalFallacy Posted January 26, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, alreadyGone said: My thoughts often waver.. Postmoderist: What is thought? Is it even real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, pittsburghjoe said: You can't have direct evidence ..that ruins the test. The gullibility test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 You don't have an imagination without a soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said: Postmoderist: What is thought? Is it even real? I think, therefore I screw up a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 44 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Are you related to Edgarcito? I thought he/she was Joe's debate mentor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, pittsburghjoe said: You don't have an imagination without a soul. Do tell. What precisely is a "soul"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: You don't have an imagination without a soul. A soul doesnt mean Jesus is/was real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 The brain is using the same thing we see in interference patterns. The physical brain is translating what we are thinking from it. Alzheimer's disease shows a signal that gets messed up from a physical brain that is mushy. All quantum effects can be attributed to interference. All quantum effects have to be unobserved and coherent. A soul connects to the Vector Field of Waves. Brain activity before you react to an event that didn't happen yet: https://www.wired.com/2008/04/mind-decision/ The physical brain is a playback device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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