midniterider Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Why would God give people the ability to choose something...then get pissed off when they chose something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christianchat_Chat Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: Disorder is not part of the ordered wave. That is the point. We can't be one with God unless we are orderly. ..without sin. one, divided, one, divided, one, or diviided, at- one, or division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: Disorder is not part of the ordered wave. That is the point. We can't be one with God unless we are orderly. ..without sin. Sin is just an idea. A false idea. It isnt an entity. I am not 'with sin.' Nor do waves or other quantum properties have shit to do with the Jesus myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, pittsburghjoe said: Satan was part of the wave when he didn't fall yet. God tosses disorder into this fallen reality. In other words, your god is too weak to deal with, eliminate or even coexist with disorder. FFS, *I* can deal quite nicely with disorder, as anyone who glances at My desk can tell at a glance. So why should we bother worshipping your weak, incompetent, helpless goddy-thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 Right, the God that is all knowing and infinite is weak? God gets to decide how he wants to run the ship ..deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christianchat_Chat Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, midniterider said: Sin is just an idea. A false idea. It isnt an entity. I am not 'with sin.' probably the force at work in the world (which some call Satan) can constantly drag (and/or keep) us down to/at lower levels of thinking and believing, acting (differs with each person as all of these do), and understanding. as much as we rise above this force or are naturally through genetics or upbringing we are less in disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Astreja said: ... So why should we bother worshipping your weak, incompetent, helpless goddy-thing? It isn't enough to worship him. You must adore him, give praise and thanks daily. Else he will kill you and send you to eternal punishment. Because he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted January 25, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: God gets to decide how he wants to run the ship ..deal with it. Again, EVIDENCE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: Right, the God that is all knowing and infinite is weak? God gets to decide how he wants to run the ship ..deal with it. Shaddup, mortal. You are unqualified to speak on behalf of gods, even your non-all-knowing, non-infinite, incompetent mythological god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Christianchat_Chat said: probably the force at work in the world (which some call Satan) can constantly drag (and/or keep) us down to/at lower levels of thinking and believing, acting (differs with each person as all of these do), and understanding. as much as we rise above this force or are naturally through genetics or upbringing we are less in disorder. Satan can whisper in your ear ..as your own inner voice. They don't realize it until it is too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, pittsburghjoe said: Satan can whisper in your ear ..as your own inner voice. They don't realize it until it is too late. Satan is more of a mensch than Yahweh the Infinitely Stoopid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, alreadyGone said: It isn't enough to worship him. You must adore him, give praise and thanks daily. Else he will kill you and send you to eternal punishment. Because he can. You naturally want to do that when you realize he is one offering a way out of this mess that we put ourselves in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: ... God gets to decide how he wants to run the ship ..deal with it. So there is no "free will" then... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, pittsburghjoe said: You naturally want to do that when you realize he is one offering a way out of this mess that we put ourselves in. I'm going to make a wild unfounded assumption here.... You live a comfortable secure life, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said: The issue is that you don't read what I write: For those of you that want to claim there isn't Free Will because God knows the outcome. What makes you think he didn't see that we always eventually fall? This reality of the fallen was always going to happen. We always chose to disobey eventually. So now we have to learn why it is wrong and get back on track for infinity. Sin isn't compatible with infinity. 2 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said: I'm saying no matter how many times God would have prevented us from taking this view of Satan ..it was always going to happen. God is offering us a way out of this mess that we put ourselves into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted January 25, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted January 25, 2021 Who decides what is order and what is chaos? Good and evil? You? Picture a brutal battle of one group doing everything it can to annihilate another group. If that scene is my immune system battling bacteria then from my perspective it is the picture of harmony and good, though the bacteria may wish to argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted January 25, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted January 25, 2021 55 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: Disorder is not part of the ordered wave. That is the point. We can't be one with God unless we are orderly. ..without sin. Satan was part of the ordered wave. Satan chose evil, while he was still part of the ordered wave. Therefore, evil was part of the ordered wave. Pay attention, son. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, alreadyGone said: I'm going to make a wild unfounded assumption here.... You live a comfortable secure life, yes? This entire place is sin. It doesn't matter, everyone has to believe in Jesus to become orderly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: You naturally want to do that when you realize he is one offering a way out of this mess that we put ourselves in. You're a fool if you put your trust in a god that would create a place of eternal punishment. It could toss you under the celestial bus just for shits and giggles, the same way it and Satan conspired to make a pious man's life living hell in the Book of Job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Astreja said: You're a fool if you put your trust in a god that would create a place of eternal punishment. It could toss you under the celestial bus just for shits and giggles, the same way it and Satan conspired to make a pious man's life living hell in the Book of Job. You would prefer we just go straight to hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Satan was part of the ordered wave. Satan chose evil, while he was still part of the ordered wave. Therefore, evil was part of the ordered wave. Pay attention, son. That's not how waves work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, florduh said: Who decides what is order and what is chaos? Good and evil? You? Picture a brutal battle of one group doing everything it can to annihilate another group. If that scene is my immune system battling bacteria then from my perspective it is the picture of harmony and good, though the bacteria may wish to argue. This entire place is chaos ..disorder ..sin. entropy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted January 25, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, pittsburghjoe said: That's not how waves work. Obviously, which is why your attempt at explaining "sin" using science has been nothing but a shiteous disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: That's not how waves work. Waves... of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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