Super Moderator florduh Posted January 23, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, WalterP said: DestinyTurtle was quite correct Joe. You made the claim that the double slit experiment is a scientific proof of sin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo. You made that claim and we dispute it. Therefore, the burden of proof is upon you to substantiate your claim with evidence. We don't have to do anything. The onus is upon to you to substantiate your claim with evidence. Not to repeat your claim. Not to talk about other things. Not to change the subject. Not to disparage any of us. Just to provide the necessary evidence. Please do that. Thank you. Walter. Yeah, well, we're on the 8th wasted page right now so I don't expect anything valid to magically materialize from this sideshow of bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, florduh said: Yeah, well, we're on the 8th wasted page right now so I don't expect anything valid to magically materialize from this sideshow of bullshit. Do you have anymore fun cartoons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted January 23, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted January 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: It's a blanket request to not have to think. Ask me specific questions about what I said ..if you understood any of the terminology. You said the double slit experiment was proof of sin. Can you support that claim with evidence*? Please answer this specific question with either "yes" or "no." *Evidence includes: peer reviewed articles, unpublished but repeatable data from multiple (more than one) studies, an experiment that any of us could perform and get statistically significant similar results. Evidence does not include: mere assertions, further claims, word salads, scripture verses, personal testimonials, or what the preacher told you on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 “Even if not actually measured, the mere possibility that an observer could determine which slit the photon passed through causes the interference pattern to switch to non-interference.” https://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/presentations/single-photon-interference The possibility of a particle being included in this fallen reality is enough to cause decoherence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdelsolray Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said: Satan is all about pride. He will fight to keep your soul out of heaven. Hey, tell us the part about how if we don't believe in your sky faeries we will be punished. That part is funny. And, as a bonus, once you do that you will be done here and you can go peddle your nonsense somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator TheRedneckProfessor Posted January 24, 2021 Super Moderator Share Posted January 24, 2021 Yes or no, joe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 I gave you a link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said: Satan is all about pride. He will fight to keep your soul out of heaven. Do I have a "soul" ? Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WalterP Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, pittsburghjoe said: It's a blanket request to not have to think. Ask me specific questions about what I said ..if you understood any of the terminology. Very well, Joe. Please answer this question with a Yes or a No. Do you accept that an experiment cannot be a proof of anything? Thank you. Walter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 You'll do anything but consider what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disillusioned Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Late to the thread. Doesn't seem like I've missed anything important... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astreja Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said: This is all about eternal life. Eternal is infinite. Think about what is required to be infinite. I believe that eternal life is a myth. Tying a physics book to your dick and waving it around in a crowd of EX-Christians is amusing, but ultimately an act of pure futility on your part. The only purpose you serve here is as a diversion until the next full-of-itself believer stumbles in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said: You have no concept of infinity. This crap reality is temporary. Speaking for myself, I do understand the concept of 'infinity'. Everything here in this temporal world is temporary. That much is generally understood by any adult with a three-digit IQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 Awesome, so do you understand how a coherent wave can be infinite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 28 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: You'll do anything but consider what I said. You said that the double slit experiment was a proof of sin. Do you stand by that? Y / N ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, WalterP said: You said that the double slit experiment was a proof of sin. Do you stand by that? Y / N ? “Even if not actually measured, the mere possibility that an observer could determine which slit the photon passed through causes the interference pattern to switch to non-interference.” https://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/presentations/single-photon-interference The possibility of a particle being included in this fallen reality is enough to cause decoherence. This fallen reality is sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterP Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Ok, this is a re-run of the burden tennis we played with Brothermario. In a little while Joe will find himself at the sharp end of Romans 13 : 1 - 5. Bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyGone Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, WalterP said: Ok, this is a re-run of the burden tennis we played with Brothermario. May be, but Joe has graphics. Respect must be paid.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disillusioned Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 One thing is very clear: PJ doesn't know what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, alreadyGone said: May be, but Joe has graphics. Respect must be paid.. Do you see how one wave is drawn with equal amplitudes? That wave is infinite ("the same over all space and time"). God's Kingdom is infinite. God is perfect order. Decoherence (wave packet) causes disorder of perfection. It is finite. What good is something finite to an Infinite Being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterider Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, TheRedneckProfessor said: Yes or no, joe? I vote no mo Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christianchat_Chat Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 53 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: “Even if not actually measured, the mere possibility that an observer could determine which slit the photon passed through causes the interference pattern to switch to non-interference.” https://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/presentations/single-photon-interference The possibility of a particle being included in this fallen reality is enough to cause decoherence. This fallen reality is sin. 54 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: “Even if not actually measured, the mere possibility that an observer could determine which slit the photon passed through causes the interference pattern to switch to non-interference.” https://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/presentations/single-photon-interference The possibility of a particle being included in this fallen reality is enough to cause decoherence. This fallen reality is sin. and what is sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburghjoe Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 Disobeying God's law. Disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disillusioned Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 30 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said: Do you see how one wave is drawn with equal amplitudes? That wave is infinite ("the same over all space and time"). God's Kingdom is infinite. God is perfect order. Decoherence (wave packet) causes disorder of perfection. It is finite. What good is something finite to an Infinite Being? What good is an irrational and incoherent argument to a rational being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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