Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 So, did you ever make the decision to accept Christ as a child before you quit attending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I got tired of getting beaten for asking questions, so by your definition I handed it back... and I was never really convinced... but then, the whole Santa clause thing seemed so unlikely that I never believed that, other than to indulge elderly relatives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 this is not a chess game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 BTW, Zealot... remember you're being tolerated here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 literally or figuratively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 this is not a chess game It's not no... but getting an answer that isn't insane out of the likes of you is like pulling teeth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 literally or figuratively Literally... this is an Ex-Christian support group. You're like a booze seller handing out samples at an AA meeting... not a popular thing to be. I'll happily discuss engineering stuff... computer stuff... astronomy or anything else under the sun... you tty to defend Christianity or any other thesitic religion and I'm afraid I don't see the need to respect crazy unless it's telling me stuff with a gun pointed at my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I said I would appreciate it, not I demand it. So you decided out of pressure? This is like pulling teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Sorry, I would like to talk about the hell thing, so if you would go to Mike's thread, I would like to visit about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hell is the flip side of the Gift, so it's equally discussable here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I said I would appreciate it, not I demand it. So you decided out of pressure? This is like pulling teeth I decided to walk because of pressure? No... when anyone tries that hard to prove something is true, and gets to yelling and hitting you, then they're covering up something. I knew that aged 5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 A second or third subjection to purification by God's fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 See... back to crazy-fool gibber-gabber... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 LOL, Well save me some time and give me a hint of what the prevailing concept is here at exCer's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Most mainstream Christian doctrines hold that Hell is a place of eternal punishment. It's certainly the view the founding fathers of the faith (specifically Eusebeius) held. The prevailing view of Hell here is that it most likely doesn't exist, and if mainstream Christian doctrine is correct, then the God is unfair, since a transient transgression is no need for permanent punishment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 if it is exists, then why would you not make the punishment more severe....i.e. a secondary subjection to God's hand or longer stint without Him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I don't even like my use of of the word punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 if it is exists, then why would you not make the punishment more severe....i.e. a secondary subjection to God's hand or longer stint without Him? A priori assumption of God existing... but even within the doctrine my assertion that I could offer to give you something, and if you refused it I set you on fire then sand off the crusty bits, and you know that I'll do that... would you regard it as a gift? It's not logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Let's decide it is a decision, and if so, then, as I just posted with Hans, why would I not accept the consequences? I don't know that it is literal fire. I don't know the mechanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 So if you "hear the good news", then you stand already convicted by default? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest end3 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I will have to come back later. I enjoyed the the visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Yes it's a choice, but it's not exactly 'loving.' it's basically an abusive relationship... certainly not accepting us as we are... thus, if I were a religious person, I'd regard your god as an idiot who is at best a powerful demon with prentions and some pretty big self image issues... So, it's a choice to accept but is it a 'gift' if basically it's handed over with menaces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 So if you "hear the good news", then you stand already convicted by default? If by the 'good news' you mean that some 1st century Jewish terrorist got nailed to tree for stealing a donkey, I've heard it... and yes, by not 'believing' that he was wasted for my sins, I stand convicted... but this is well clear of being a gift... if one gets punished for not accepting a 'gift' it's beginning to sound like an edict or law rather than a gift... so much for 'free will' best one can hope for in Christianity is oblivion and worst is eternal torment for using it and thinking 'this sounds like bullshit - Moving stars, virgin births, dead coming back to life... naa... fucking nonsense' Next you have devils pounding pineapples up your arse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I will have to come back later. I enjoyed the the visit. Just like herpes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I don't even like my use of of the word punishment. Then why do you? It's God's will to punish 10 Billion people and only save 144,000. There's only handfull of the true Christians, and there's a chance you're not one of them. Sorry. Play again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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