Christians Know The Truth

[par4dcourse]

I have far more intimate experiences with God when I'm alone praying and reading the bible.

And I have far more intimate experiences with my pecker when I'm alone and reading Penthouse. So what?

You may believe otherwise, but it's just you in there, talking to yourself.

[Shyone]

I have far more intimate experiences with God when I'm alone praying and reading the bible.

And I have far more intimate experiences with my pecker when I'm alone and reading Penthouse. So what?

You may believe otherwise, but it's just you in there, talking to yourself.

Every man talks to his pecker, but you should worry if it ever talks back.

 

Wait, that was supposed to be about God...

[Vigile]

2. Yezzir. Now this isn't to say that I haven't sinned since salvation to my own shame but I repented of that sin and stopped it.

 

Are you married or do you just suffer from a constant case of blue balls? You know that's not healthy?

 

Not married nor do I have blue balls, just full of the Holy Spirit.

 

Full of porn and a sore right hand is more likely, but if not, then you should get to the doc, your hormones might be out of balance.

[Vigile]

Exactly this is why I street preach. I know people are going to hell and I want people to get saved. And you are also right about churchs having bake sales while sinners die daily not knowing Jesus. That is hypocritical of those people.

 

I don't doubt you really believe. I once really believed also and I even did some street preaching so I know it's possible.

[par4dcourse]

And you still departed. The seed fell on stony ground. Maybe you did repent and maybe you were in the faith at one point. But your faith had no real depth.

 

So to you, any person who leaves christianity had no real experience with Christ, aka, they were never true Christians?

Two things occurred to me during my morning constitutional:

1- I need more fiber.

2- John 3:16 says all one has to do is believe in jebus, and poof! you're saved. So simple a child of 5 could do it*. Yet FaithPretender says we were all too stupid to do that. From catholic to amish, from pentacostal to lutheran, we thousands of ex-c members were all wrong about salvation. Only HE got it right.

My friends, we are in t;he presence of nobility.

--edit--

*Quick. Fetch me a child of 5.--Groucho Marx

[Guest FaithDefender619]

2. Yezzir. Now this isn't to say that I haven't sinned since salvation to my own shame but I repented of that sin and stopped it.

 

Are you married or do you just suffer from a constant case of blue balls? You know that's not healthy?

 

Not married nor do I have blue balls, just full of the Holy Spirit.

 

Full of porn and a sore right hand is more likely, but if not, then you should get to the doc, your hormones might be out of balance.

 

Or I'm living according to the will of God. And no I don't watch porn or masturbate. I'm free of that wickedness. PRAISE THE LORD!!

[Guest FaithDefender619]

And you still departed. The seed fell on stony ground. Maybe you did repent and maybe you were in the faith at one point. But your faith had no real depth.

 

So to you, any person who leaves christianity had no real experience with Christ, aka, they were never true Christians?

Two things occurred to me during my morning constitutional:

1- I need more fiber.

2- John 3:16 says all one has to do is believe in jebus, and poof! you're saved. So simple a child of 5 could do it*. Yet FaithPretender says we were all too stupid to do that. From catholic to amish, from pentacostal to lutheran, we thousands of ex-c members were all wrong about salvation. Only HE got it right.

My friends, we are in t;he presence of nobility.

--edit--

*Quick. Fetch me a child of 5.--Groucho Marx

 

So when Jesus said

 

Matthew 24:13

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) is an alien doctrine to the bible. You are saved when you believe in Jesus but that doesn't assure you of heaven. You can still fall away,backslide, blaspheme the holy spirit, etc. Read the parable of the seed and the sower.

You can't just read one verse, lift it out of context and interpret in a vaccum and say SEEE!!!!!! You have to read the WHOLE BIBLE.

Not just one part.

[par4dcourse]

C'mon FP. I want to know. Why would gawd make salvation so difficult that we all got it wrong? Not one of the thousands here has ever had TrueFaith^TM according to you. Why is it so difficult that even now, after 8 pages of debate, only you understand it?

[Guest FaithDefender619]

 

Thats the problem right there you were following a RELIGION and not JESUS CHRIST. You went to church, did your little church activities but NEVER had the HOLY SPIRIT, NEVER really repented of sin, NEVER really had a true saving faith. I was there too.

What a crock. What do you know? I for one deligently served Christ with all my heart for nearly 30 years of my life. I sincerely repented, I prayed, studied God's word, involved myself in ministries and truly believed I was filled with the Holy spirit. The only difference between you and I is that I got real and realised I was living in a delusion. You would like to claim that people here like myself were never true Christians to begin with. For me I know that's a crock and anyone who tries to tell me otherwise just convinces me even more that they're living in a fantasy world and their God is in their mind only. In all my years never once did God convict me and try to tell me I was never a true Christian. In all the churches I attended not one person was led by God to warn me I was not a true Christian. On the contrary I was given a lot of responsibility and good genuine Christians believed I was one of them, that I had Godly wisdom and that God had great plans in store for me.

 

You seem to have conveniently ignored the fact that even Paul knew of the dangers of falling from the faith. He himself even said of himself that he needed to take care unless he himself fell. If God really was all he was cracked up to be, there would be no ex-Christians. All us people, the majority of whom were genuine believers, would not have been ignored by God, as you seem to suggest they have been. What sort of a God would allow people like us to believe we were true followers when we weren't?

 

 

I found the real Jesus and got filled with the HOLY SPIRIT, REPENTED of my sin and followed Christ is spirit and in truth.

You'll find that most of un here had exactly the same experience. If you claim we never did, how can you be so sure that you have? You could be as deluded as we were. You could be a couple of years away from deconverting just like us. And yes, a couple of years before I deconverted it was inconcievable to me that it could ever happen.

 

ANd thats whats lacking in the church that is why this fourm and many others are filled with "former christians" and that is why american christianity as a whole is a joke. Because its just a religion with absolutely no life changing power. with no community changing power, with no world changing power. Its just a dead religion like the pharisees had.

Yep, that's Christianity for you. So much for the power of Jesus.

 

Don't like what I'm saying, too bad but its the truth.

I don't think it's that people won't like what you're saying. It's just that they realise it's BS and there's no truth in your words at all.

 

1. Thats what the bible says. You're faith had no real depth if you just forsook it.

So how do you know you have real depth in your faith? How long have you been a genuine Christian? 20 years? 30 years? How many years of genuine prayer and bible study does it take? How many years of teaching others the word of God? Many of the people here were christians for many years in positions of authority. Are you seriously trying to tell us they had no real depth? 20-30 years of genuine dedication is a result of no real depth? Are you for real?

 

2. I'm citing what Jesus said that isn't MY answer that is what JESUS said.

No, it's what people claim Jesus said, people who never even knew Jesus.

 

3. So basically you "saw" something wrong and then left. Which isn't really to say its even there but you saw it and left. Ok well then still your faith had no depth to it.

Once again you make light of people's deconversion. it's not just a matter of "something wrong". For most of us here it's a mass of things wrong. Things that couldn't just be ignored, justified and flagged away. For many it was a long painful process having to come to the realisation that it was all a crock of shit. Many of us were in denial of our disbelief for some time before coming to the realisation we were living in a delusion. For many of us a large portion of our lives were wasted DUE to our depth of faith. If my faith had had no depth I would have become an ex-Christian many years ago.

 

5. No it simply means that the bible says that people who forsake their faith and fall away had no real depth to their faith. And I mean its not like u were under any persecution, like the early church was under the Roman Empire and under the Catholics or even today in China, Vietnam, Russia etc, you "saw" something in it then left. I'm sorry but if you can't even endure something so small as "seeing" something how could you possibly endure when the fit hits the shan?

Paul realised that he himself could fall from the faith if he did not take precautions. Would you say that Paul had no real depth in his faith?

 

As for depth. How can you be so sure your faith is deep enough to last? Many of us believed our faith was well founded too. How do you know you don’t have a weak foundation?

 

1. I'm not saying you were never a real christian I'm saying you never had any true depth to your faith. Anybody can get involved in ministries in a church (especially in todays luke warm church era), anybody who believe they are filled with the holy spirit (the bible talks about people who are deceiving themselves and how we should daily check ourselves that we are in the faith), and don't try to act like the bible doesn't talk about false teachers. So simply because you had a position in a local church and people said you were a good christian doesn't mean you really were. But lets say you were the christian you say you were, so what, you still fell away. Your faith had no depth, you were in for 30 years that only means it took you a long time to come to terms that you were deceiving yourself and really didn't have faith. And instead of turning to God for that faith you fell away.

 

And you seem to have conviniently ignored the ways Paul taught to keep from falling away from the faith.

 

2. Most of the experience I've heard were in a church, you prayed a prayer, cried some tears and now here are you fallen away. So what does that show about the depth of the faith you came to? It was worthless.

 

3. I said American Christianity. Real christianity has always and still does have an impact of the nation and community in which it exist. But this false American verison is lukewarm and dead.

 

4. I'm echoing the words of Jesus maybe some people's pride and emotions won't let them see that its true but you all know deep down its true.

 

5. All that is fine and dandy but the Pharisees and Saducees prayed, studied, taught, and had positions of authority in their churchs and they weren't any more saved than the devil. So what is your point? Jesus in the bible (a passage I'm sure you would be familiar with since you studied so much) says that many on that day (judgement day) will say Lord Lord, didn't we cast out demons in your name, and prophecy in your name and do wonderful works in your name. And I will say to them, I never knew you, now depart from me ye that work iniquity. You seem to think that church = a real faith in Jesus. Church is cool and all but that doesn't mean you are a genuine believer. That only means you went to church for 30 years.

[NotBlinded]

1. I'm not saying you were never a real christian I'm saying you never had any true depth to your faith. Anybody can get involved in ministries in a church (especially in todays luke warm church era), anybody who believe they are filled with the holy spirit (the bible talks about people who are deceiving themselves and how we should daily check ourselves that we are in the faith), and don't try to act like the bible doesn't talk about false teachers. So simply because you had a position in a local church and people said you were a good christian doesn't mean you really were. But lets say you were the christian you say you were, so what, you still fell away. Your faith had no depth, you were in for 30 years that only means it took you a long time to come to terms that you were deceiving yourself and really didn't have faith. And instead of turning to God for that faith you fell away.

 

And you seem to have conviniently ignored the ways Paul taught to keep from falling away from the faith.

 

2. Most of the experience I've heard were in a church, you prayed a prayer, cried some tears and now here are you fallen away. So what does that show about the depth of the faith you came to? It was worthless.

 

3. I said American Christianity. Real christianity has always and still does have an impact of the nation and community in which it exist. But this false American verison is lukewarm and dead.

 

4. I'm echoing the words of Jesus maybe some people's pride and emotions won't let them see that its true but you all know deep down its true.

 

5. All that is fine and dandy but the Pharisees and Saducees prayed, studied, taught, and had positions of authority in their churchs and they weren't any more saved than the devil. So what is your point? Jesus in the bible (a passage I'm sure you would be familiar with since you studied so much) says that many on that day (judgement day) will say Lord Lord, didn't we cast out demons in your name, and prophecy in your name and do wonderful works in your name. And I will say to them, I never knew you, now depart from me ye that work iniquity. You seem to think that church = a real faith in Jesus. Church is cool and all but that doesn't mean you are a genuine believer. That only means you went to church for 30 years.

I find it highly ironic that you talk about the Pharisees as if what they did is any different from what you are doing now. You talk about "depth" but you swim in the shallow end of the pool yourself. You take every word from that book at face value. There is no depth in your understanding FD.

 

So, stop offending us with your "insights". They are wrong. You need to look at yourself.

[Shyone]

 

4. I'm echoing the words of Jesus maybe some people's pride and emotions won't let them see that its true but you all know deep down its true.

 

5. All that is fine and dandy but the Pharisees and Saducees prayed, studied, taught, and had positions of authority in their churchs and they weren't any more saved than the devil. So what is your point? Jesus in the bible (a passage I'm sure you would be familiar with since you studied so much) says that many on that day (judgement day) will say Lord Lord, didn't we cast out demons in your name, and prophecy in your name and do wonderful works in your name. And I will say to them, I never knew you, now depart from me ye that work iniquity. You seem to think that church = a real faith in Jesus. Church is cool and all but that doesn't mean you are a genuine believer. That only means you went to church for 30 years.

First, I agree with NBBTB that you "echo" words rather than gaining any depth from reading them.

 

Second, you believe in demons? They are gods, you know.

 

any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force.

 

You may not worship them, but others do, and your acknowledgement of them means you believe in lots of gods.

 

Well, so did the writers of the bible.

 

Do you cast out demons? Do wonderful works? Handle snakes?

[par4dcourse]

Church is cool and all but that doesn't mean you are a genuine believer. That only means you went to church for 30 years.

I'm starting to believe. It would take a god to stuff that much self-righteos smugness into one human. Glory!

[Kuroikaze]

 

Or I'm living according to the will of God. And no I don't watch porn or masturbate. I'm free of that wickedness. PRAISE THE LORD!!

 

Reminds me of something a preacher I used to know would say on this topic. 90% of christian men admit to having a problem with masturbation.

 

The other 10% also have a problem with honesty.

[godlessgrrl]

Reminds me of something a preacher I used to know would say on this topic. 90% of christian men admit to having a problem with masturbation.

 

The other 10% also have a problem with honesty.

 

 

I might add that if god hadn't wanted us to self-pleasure, he wouldn't have made our arms long enough to reach our genitalia.

 

I just really will never get why some people think sex is evil. It makes no sense.

 

Oh well. More for the rest of us...

 

[Justin]

No it simply means that the bible says that people who forsake their faith and fall away had no real depth to their faith.

 

"Seeing" something is a matter of speech. I just didn't see one tiny thing and threw it all in the trash and never looked back. Research after painstaking research lead to my leaving the faith. I "see" something that doesn't make since and i look into it and afterwards it makes even less since and as i was looking into it i found other things that didn't make since and so i pursue them and find that they make even less since, etc.

 

I'm sorry but if you can't even endure something so small as "seeing" something how could you possibly endure when the fit hits the shan?

 

You, my ignorant little friend have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to be under the idiotic impression that a person cannot be uprooted and changed from anything. Racists have been shown the error of their ways and changed for crying out loud. Keep in mind that there are folks on this board and elsewhere who all thought as arrogantly as you and had a more sound and deeper connection than you even know or have and lost their faith.

 

I always find it funny when a christian tries to say an alternate cursing. You're not fooling anyone. Even if you use a different word or set of words you are still meaning the original phrase. So in this case, you are still saying 'when the shit hits the fan." Just come right out and say it and quit thinking you have slid by with something clever and sneeky. God still sees what you meant and he hates you for it.

 

4. Do you have proof that someone who is very well versed in magic couldn't turn invisible or is this more of the same ol' I've never seen it therefore it doesn't exist fallacious arguments served up on here?

 

What age are you? I cannot honestly believe an adult is saying the rubbish that is coming out of your mouth. Things that small children say and only halfway believe you take to heart and fully believe. There is no magic, there is only illusion and trickery with props, smoke and mirrors. There is nothing whatsoever to support the idea that a person can actually turn themselves invisible using black magic or dark arts, for they aren't real either, and you know this. There is reality and there is child's play fiction. Learn to distinguish between the two of them. I don't even know why i am responding to this. You want to believe that a person can turn themselves invisible then you might as well believe i crawled to the moon and swam back. You haven't seen me do it so therefore you can't say i didn't.

 

I hope you have been a good boy this year FD, or else the Santa that you probably believe in will not slide down your chimney and leave you lots and lots of toys. Also, be sure to leave him plenty of cookies and some milk to wash it down with, he needs the energy to help him visit every household on earth on that wonderful, magic night.

[Justin]

So what does that show about the depth of the faith you came to? It was worthless.

 

You are a condescending fucktard. As i said in my last post, many here and many, MANY elsewhere believed with more passion than your ignorant ass would have a clue about and left their faith. It could happen to you. If it does, you would likely encounter an arrogant dumbass like you currently are, and he will be saying the same shit you are.

 

The only thing you are basing your ridiculous argument on is your belief that nobody can leave the "truth". It troubles you that many can leave what you percieve is the "truth". You have to come up with a quick pat excuse to ease your worried mind about it and you say these people never were true christians. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

I'm echoing the words of Jesus maybe some people's pride and emotions won't let them see that its true but you all know deep down its true.

 

I can say that you know deep down the REAL truth. Which you do. If you were honest with yourself you know you would not believe the rubbish that you do.

[Guest FaithDefender619]

C'mon FP. I want to know. Why would gawd make salvation so difficult that we all got it wrong? Not one of the thousands here has ever had TrueFaith^TM according to you. Why is it so difficult that even now, after 8 pages of debate, only you understand it?

 

Salvation isn't hard at all. Jesus said His yoke is light. I'm not saying you didn't have true faith I'm saying that faith had no true depth. And it shows. I mean look at the early church christians. They were wholesale slaughtered by the roman empire and then after the Roman Empire became the Roman Catholic Church they were killed some more. Many were burned, crucified upside down, fed to lions, filleted, stoned, beaten horribly etc etc. And all they had to do in almost every instance is say NO I don't believe in Jesus and they would have been spared. Many of the christian martyrs went to their death singing, praising the Lord and with joy in their hearts. And they never denied Jesus. None of you experienced 1/10 of that and you fell away. So what does that say about the faith you had? Some of you were presented with a small test and failed. Being saved isn't difficult if you are doing it right. If you are keeping your eyes on the Lord and not this world. The bible says there is coming a deception so great it would deceive the very elect if it were possible. And personally I think this site is filled with people who fell for that deception. And why is that, because your faith wasn't deep enough to withstand some trouble. The Lord gives the power to overcome to whoever honestly ask for it but many of you had a "church" faith not a real deep faith.

[Guest FaithDefender619]

So what does that show about the depth of the faith you came to? It was worthless.

 

You are a condescending fucktard. As i said in my last post, many here and many, MANY elsewhere believed with more passion than your ignorant ass would have a clue about and left their faith. It could happen to you. If it does, you would likely encounter an arrogant dumbass like you currently are, and he will be saying the same shit you are.

 

The only thing you are basing your ridiculous argument on is your belief that nobody can leave the "truth". It troubles you that many can leave what you percieve is the "truth". You have to come up with a quick pat excuse to ease your worried mind about it and you say these people never were true christians. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

I'm echoing the words of Jesus maybe some people's pride and emotions won't let them see that its true but you all know deep down its true.

 

I can say that you know deep down the REAL truth. Which you do. If you were honest with yourself you know you would not believe the rubbish that you do.

 

1. Apparently you didn't because passion denotes depth which you, according to the bible didn't have. I'm not trying to be condescending but its the truth. The kind of faith you had was good enough for church but for testing and trials it wasn't worth anything. When I was an atheist and I debated christians who said I was never really a christian (I was a catholic before) they were right. I really didn't believe all that time, I was a church going, sacrement keeping catholic but as far as genuine belief went I didn't have it. Which is why I stopped believing in God.

 

2. Please don't give me that crap, you atheist are real quick to tell me I was never really an atheist. But I base what I'm saying on what you say and demonstrate. I mean you claim to have read the bible, yet misquote it so badly. Claim to have understood the faith, yet strawman it when attacking it. Claim to have had a real repentance but almost without fail your salvation experience only lead you to serve in a church and nothing really more than that. Claim to have had a true repentance but I'm sure if that were examined we'd see all kinds of unbiblical things going on there. And I base it off what goes on in the American church system today. Most of christianity is broken down into a 5 point plan, pray a prayer, ask jesus into your heart and wham bam that's it. And then like clockwork you have people either living like the devil or falling away all together because they really don't even know why or what they believe.

 

3. I could say the same to you.

[Midnight-mindwanderings]

Not everyone is the same as you. Just because you never believed in your Catholicism deeply doesn't mean that NO ONE here had as much depth of faith and passionate devotion to Christ as you have now.

 

What convinced you when you were an atheist to be a Christian? I can't imagine its anything you have offered us thus far. If you are holding out on us, please skip to what it was that convinced you.

[Guest FaithDefender619]

No it simply means that the bible says that people who forsake their faith and fall away had no real depth to their faith.

 

"Seeing" something is a matter of speech. I just didn't see one tiny thing and threw it all in the trash and never looked back. Research after painstaking research lead to my leaving the faith. I "see" something that doesn't make since and i look into it and afterwards it makes even less since and as i was looking into it i found other things that didn't make since and so i pursue them and find that they make even less since, etc.

 

I'm sorry but if you can't even endure something so small as "seeing" something how could you possibly endure when the fit hits the shan?

 

You, my ignorant little friend have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to be under the idiotic impression that a person cannot be uprooted and changed from anything. Racists have been shown the error of their ways and changed for crying out loud. Keep in mind that there are folks on this board and elsewhere who all thought as arrogantly as you and had a more sound and deeper connection than you even know or have and lost their faith.

 

I always find it funny when a christian tries to say an alternate cursing. You're not fooling anyone. Even if you use a different word or set of words you are still meaning the original phrase. So in this case, you are still saying 'when the shit hits the fan." Just come right out and say it and quit thinking you have slid by with something clever and sneeky. God still sees what you meant and he hates you for it.

 

4. Do you have proof that someone who is very well versed in magic couldn't turn invisible or is this more of the same ol' I've never seen it therefore it doesn't exist fallacious arguments served up on here?

 

What age are you? I cannot honestly believe an adult is saying the rubbish that is coming out of your mouth. Things that small children say and only halfway believe you take to heart and fully believe. There is no magic, there is only illusion and trickery with props, smoke and mirrors. There is nothing whatsoever to support the idea that a person can actually turn themselves invisible using black magic or dark arts, for they aren't real either, and you know this. There is reality and there is child's play fiction. Learn to distinguish between the two of them. I don't even know why i am responding to this. You want to believe that a person can turn themselves invisible then you might as well believe i crawled to the moon and swam back. You haven't seen me do it so therefore you can't say i didn't.

 

I hope you have been a good boy this year FD, or else the Santa that you probably believe in will not slide down your chimney and leave you lots and lots of toys. Also, be sure to leave him plenty of cookies and some milk to wash it down with, he needs the energy to help him visit every household on earth on that wonderful, magic night.

 

1. I know what you meant when you said you "saw" something. There are people who researched trying to disprove christianity and wound up getting saved so I don't buy the painstaking research after painstaking research bit. Plenty of people say they do research and very few actually did.

 

2. Obviously racism is an erroneous view point, but thats not the point. I was shown the error of my way and left atheism for christianity so I know people can change their mind. But when it comes to this business if being saved and being a real biblical christian simply going to church, reading the bible, praying a prayer and so on doesn't constitute real faith. And you lost your faith after "seeing" something that says nothing about christianity but everything about your depth in faith. People who endured worse than u could imagine didn't give up on the faith and were slain for the faith singing hymns, nudged a little and fell over. I'm sorry That's just the high and low of it. You have been a true believer at one point but the depth of your faith were seriously lacking.

 

 

3. I'm sorry you know magic doesn't exist? Mind proving that to me? How do you know magic doesn't exist.

 

4. Why would I wait for Santa I don't celebrate christmas. Its a pagan holiday.

[Guest FaithDefender619]

 

4. I'm echoing the words of Jesus maybe some people's pride and emotions won't let them see that its true but you all know deep down its true.

 

5. All that is fine and dandy but the Pharisees and Saducees prayed, studied, taught, and had positions of authority in their churchs and they weren't any more saved than the devil. So what is your point? Jesus in the bible (a passage I'm sure you would be familiar with since you studied so much) says that many on that day (judgement day) will say Lord Lord, didn't we cast out demons in your name, and prophecy in your name and do wonderful works in your name. And I will say to them, I never knew you, now depart from me ye that work iniquity. You seem to think that church = a real faith in Jesus. Church is cool and all but that doesn't mean you are a genuine believer. That only means you went to church for 30 years.

First, I agree with NBBTB that you "echo" words rather than gaining any depth from reading them.

 

Second, you believe in demons? They are gods, you know.

 

any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force.

 

You may not worship them, but others do, and your acknowledgement of them means you believe in lots of gods.

 

Well, so did the writers of the bible.

 

Do you cast out demons? Do wonderful works? Handle snakes?

 

1. Feel free to elaborate on that if you will

 

2. Sure does, Paul said that the gods the gentiles sacrifice to are demons.

 

3. No I haven't cast out a demon. I'm zealous for good works. And no I do not handle snakes.

[Guest FaithDefender619]

1. I'm not saying you were never a real christian I'm saying you never had any true depth to your faith. Anybody can get involved in ministries in a church (especially in todays luke warm church era), anybody who believe they are filled with the holy spirit (the bible talks about people who are deceiving themselves and how we should daily check ourselves that we are in the faith), and don't try to act like the bible doesn't talk about false teachers. So simply because you had a position in a local church and people said you were a good christian doesn't mean you really were. But lets say you were the christian you say you were, so what, you still fell away. Your faith had no depth, you were in for 30 years that only means it took you a long time to come to terms that you were deceiving yourself and really didn't have faith. And instead of turning to God for that faith you fell away.

 

And you seem to have conviniently ignored the ways Paul taught to keep from falling away from the faith.

 

2. Most of the experience I've heard were in a church, you prayed a prayer, cried some tears and now here are you fallen away. So what does that show about the depth of the faith you came to? It was worthless.

 

3. I said American Christianity. Real christianity has always and still does have an impact of the nation and community in which it exist. But this false American verison is lukewarm and dead.

 

4. I'm echoing the words of Jesus maybe some people's pride and emotions won't let them see that its true but you all know deep down its true.

 

5. All that is fine and dandy but the Pharisees and Saducees prayed, studied, taught, and had positions of authority in their churchs and they weren't any more saved than the devil. So what is your point? Jesus in the bible (a passage I'm sure you would be familiar with since you studied so much) says that many on that day (judgement day) will say Lord Lord, didn't we cast out demons in your name, and prophecy in your name and do wonderful works in your name. And I will say to them, I never knew you, now depart from me ye that work iniquity. You seem to think that church = a real faith in Jesus. Church is cool and all but that doesn't mean you are a genuine believer. That only means you went to church for 30 years.

I find it highly ironic that you talk about the Pharisees as if what they did is any different from what you are doing now. You talk about "depth" but you swim in the shallow end of the pool yourself. You take every word from that book at face value. There is no depth in your understanding FD.

 

So, stop offending us with your "insights". They are wrong. You need to look at yourself.

 

1. What am I doing that's like the pharisees?

 

2. Care to elaborate on what I lack in understanding or are we going to offer a shallow insult and then walk away.

 

3. If it wasn't true, it wouldn't offend you. I don't see why a bunch of atheist are getting so emotional when I say your faith wasn't that deep. I mean atheist try to tell me I was never a true atheist all the time and it doesn't bother me one bit.

[Kuroikaze]

 

2. Obviously racism is an erroneous view point, but thats not the point. I was shown the error of my way and left atheism for christianity

 

You were an atheist?

 

No you could not have been a TRUE atheist or you would not believe in god now

 

 

Seriously though if you were really an atheist, why is you seem to have no idea what atheists really think about anything?

[OnceConvinced]

 

Or I'm living according to the will of God. And no I don't watch porn or masturbate.

 

I call bullshit on his claim about masturbation. Unless of course he had his dick removed at some stage.

 

I'm free of that wickedness. PRAISE THE LORD!!

Obviously you are not free of the wickeness of pride.

[OnceConvinced]

 

 

1. I'm not saying you were never a real christian

 

Actually you are. Because all real Christians will have the HS in them.

 

I'm saying you never had any true depth to your faith. Anybody can get involved in ministries in a church (especially in todays luke warm church era), anybody who believe they are filled with the holy spirit (the bible talks about people who are deceiving themselves and how we should daily check ourselves that we are in the faith), and don't try to act like the bible doesn't talk about false teachers. So simply because you had a position in a local church and people said you were a good christian doesn't mean you really were. But lets say you were the christian you say you were, so what, you still fell away. Your faith had no depth, you were in for 30 years that only means it took you a long time to come to terms that you were deceiving yourself and really didn't have faith. And instead of turning to God for that faith you fell away.

As you were never me, you have no idea about the depth of my faith. You presume way too much. You also ignore my questions:

 

1) Why would God allow me to genuinely believe for so long and not correct me on this?

2) Why did no discerming Holy Spirit filled Christians ever advise me that I was on the wrong path and that I had no depth in my faith?

3) What makes you so sure you have the depth in your faith? What have you done that the rest of us failed to do to ensure you had that firm foundation? What makes you so certain you won't be in the same boat as us a few years down the track?

 

I know these answers and deep down you know them too. The bible is a crock and your God is non existant.

 

I just hope you aren't going to try to convince me to give it all another chance. Why would I want to waste any more time on a religion I dedicated my life and energies too, if the first time around my faith had no real depth?

 

 

And you seem to have conviniently ignored the ways Paul taught to keep from falling away from the faith.

Nope. Never ignored them. I took Paul's teachings very seriously as a Christian.

 

4. I'm echoing the words of Jesus maybe some people's pride and emotions won't let them see that its true but you all know deep down its true.

No, you're not you're taking words supposedly said by jesus written by people who were never there when Jesus said them. And no, I know deep down that it's not true, because throughout 30 years of genuinely serving and seeking God I found the bible to be unreliable and wrong. Perhaps once you have been a Christian as long as I was you will realise the same thing.

 

 

5. All that is fine and dandy but the Pharisees and Saducees prayed, studied, taught, and had positions of authority in their churchs and they weren't any more saved than the devil. So what is your point? Jesus in the bible (a passage I'm sure you would be familiar with since you studied so much) says that many on that day (judgement day) will say Lord Lord, didn't we cast out demons in your name, and prophecy in your name and do wonderful works in your name. And I will say to them, I never knew you, now depart from me ye that work iniquity. You seem to think that church = a real faith in Jesus. Church is cool and all but that doesn't mean you are a genuine believer. That only means you went to church for 30 years.

I am well aware of what the bible says and no longer take it seroiusly. It has been proven to me to be simply ignorant man's beliefs about God, nothing more. You have no clue as to how genuinely and deeply I loved Jesus and what legnths I went to. So your words are BS are far as I'm concerned. YOu have no clue.

 

When you have genuinely served God as long as I did, come back to me and we'll talk again. Your posts here to me are insulting, arrogant and ignorant. You will never know just how genuinely i believed and how genuine my faith was.