I'm Completely Lost...

[Guest confused idiot]

To me if its just fear, its not worth is to believe. Theologically speaking I am not even sure, if you could get to heaven only for that reason.

 

The way I've heard it preached, I don't think it would get a person into heaven.

 

 

If fear is your only reason to worry about this stuff, then why do you bother. You just answered why your emotions on this are irrational.

 

I don't know. I guess it has become embedded into my brain to the point where it's part of me. A belief that I can't shake.

Well then start deprograming

 

One of the most effective tools against OCD, is doing what your OCD involves, if say its walking down stairs, and you got to do it ten times.

 

Make yourself do it once.

 

Not a exact example but you get the idea.

 

I understand that, but how exactly would that come into practice in this situation? Tell myself I'm not a Christian? I already consider myself a deconverted ex-Christian. I do pretty much whatever I want. I've even said things like "fuck God".....

Well, just keep doing that.

 

But be a bit less, holy.

 

Drink or something. Get a hot girl(would recommend a girlfriend) and fuck. I think you get the point I am getting at. Don't try to be so Christian in your ethics.

 

And that, as well as have some patience's. Like OCD, the fear and the irrationality becomes nonexistent in time.

 

I'll try it and see what happens.

[Guest Valk0010]

But at the same time, while you doing that try to be sane and moral about it.

[Guest confused idiot]

But at the same time, while you doing that try to be sane and moral about it.

 

Depends on whose morals you go by.

[Guest Valk0010]

But at the same time, while you doing that try to be sane and moral about it.

 

Depends on whose morals you go by.

 

The golden rule, is older then Christianity. I try to go by that, myself.

[Guest confused idiot]

But at the same time, while you doing that try to be sane and moral about it.

 

Depends on whose morals you go by.

 

The golden rule, is older then Christianity. I try to go by that, myself.

 

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Yeah, I guess that never hurt anybody.

 

EDIT: That's not sarcasm.

[Guest Valk0010]

But at the same time, while you doing that try to be sane and moral about it.

 

Depends on whose morals you go by.

 

The golden rule, is older then Christianity. I try to go by that, myself.

 

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Yeah, I guess that never hurt anybody.

 

EDIT: That's not sarcasm.

Anyway

 

Yeah that is simplistic.

 

I think the famous from the Hippocratic oath that doctors take in concert with the golden rule, is a pretty basic yet full description of my definition of moral ethics

 

First do no harm

 

Its more subtle to me, but, it works for discussion well.

[Guest confused idiot]

But at the same time, while you doing that try to be sane and moral about it.

 

Depends on whose morals you go by.

 

The golden rule, is older then Christianity. I try to go by that, myself.

 

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Yeah, I guess that never hurt anybody.

 

EDIT: That's not sarcasm.

Anyway

 

Yeah that is simplistic.

 

I think the famous from the Hippocratic oath that doctors take in concert with the golden rule, is a pretty basic yet full description of my definition of moral ethics

 

First do no harm

 

Its more subtle to me, but, it works for discussion well.

 

whatever works i guess

[Guest Valk0010]

Yeah find a girlfriend, hope for a well thought out non religious person if you can because they can help you in regards to de-conversion. From what i hear(myself I am perpetually single), a relationship is a handful, will keep you busy, which helps OCD.

[Shyone]

But at the same time, while you doing that try to be sane and moral about it.

 

Depends on whose morals you go by.

 

The golden rule, is older then Christianity. I try to go by that, myself.

 

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Yeah, I guess that never hurt anybody.

 

EDIT: That's not sarcasm.

Actually, there are better ways to say the Golden Rule than the Christian one. A masochist/sadist would have a problem there as would a suicidal person.

[Guest confused idiot]

I've got a question for those of you that have went through a similar deconversion, with the stress/anxiety/depression/ocd. Did any of you have symptoms like shakiness (all the time, gets worse when actually doing something), weakness, feeling extremely run down all the time, occasional dizziness/lightheadedness, decreasing vision, lots of floaters, static vision, and all kinds of random floating stuff in your field of vision 24/7? Have any of you experienced this? If so, how did you get it fixed? I've had all this stuff even when I was a Christian, though I was extremely stressed out then, too.

[Guest Valk0010]

I've got a question for those of you that have went through a similar deconversion, with the stress/anxiety/depression/ocd. Did any of you have symptoms like shakiness (all the time, gets worse when actually doing something), weakness, feeling extremely run down all the time, occasional dizziness/lightheadedness, decreasing vision, lots of floaters, static vision, and all kinds of random floating stuff in your field of vision 24/7? Have any of you experienced this? If so, how did you get it fixed? I've had all this stuff even when I was a Christian, though I was extremely stressed out then, too.

I didn't, but my guess is, its all the stress you put yourself through.

[florduh]

I've got a question for those of you that have went through a similar deconversion, with the stress/anxiety/depression/ocd. Did any of you have symptoms like shakiness (all the time, gets worse when actually doing something), weakness, feeling extremely run down all the time, occasional dizziness/lightheadedness, decreasing vision, lots of floaters, static vision, and all kinds of random floating stuff in your field of vision 24/7? Have any of you experienced this? If so, how did you get it fixed? I've had all this stuff even when I was a Christian, though I was extremely stressed out then, too.

Check yourself into a clinic today.

 

For three months you've refused to do anything to help yourself. Your questions have been addressed repeatedly. You've hinted at suicide a couple of times to keep us interested. Pleas to get help go ignored - once you even said you "didn't have time to call." What kind of bullshit is that? Quit wasting time here and go get professional help. Do it today or stfu.

[Guest Valk0010]

I've got a question for those of you that have went through a similar deconversion, with the stress/anxiety/depression/ocd. Did any of you have symptoms like shakiness (all the time, gets worse when actually doing something), weakness, feeling extremely run down all the time, occasional dizziness/lightheadedness, decreasing vision, lots of floaters, static vision, and all kinds of random floating stuff in your field of vision 24/7? Have any of you experienced this? If so, how did you get it fixed? I've had all this stuff even when I was a Christian, though I was extremely stressed out then, too.

Check yourself into a clinic today.

 

For three months you've refused to do anything to help yourself. Your questions have been addressed repeatedly. You've hinted at suicide a couple of times to keep us interested. Pleas to get help go ignored - once you even said you "didn't have time to call." What kind of bullshit is that? Quit wasting time here and go get professional help. Do it today or stfu.

ditto to Florduh

 

I have been racking my brain on why you still have issues, and part of me agrees with Florduh. I won't call you crazy, but yeah you need help man.

[Guest confused idiot]

I've got a question for those of you that have went through a similar deconversion, with the stress/anxiety/depression/ocd. Did any of you have symptoms like shakiness (all the time, gets worse when actually doing something), weakness, feeling extremely run down all the time, occasional dizziness/lightheadedness, decreasing vision, lots of floaters, static vision, and all kinds of random floating stuff in your field of vision 24/7? Have any of you experienced this? If so, how did you get it fixed? I've had all this stuff even when I was a Christian, though I was extremely stressed out then, too.

Check yourself into a clinic today.

 

For three months you've refused to do anything to help yourself. Your questions have been addressed repeatedly. You've hinted at suicide a couple of times to keep us interested. Pleas to get help go ignored - once you even said you "didn't have time to call." What kind of bullshit is that? Quit wasting time here and go get professional help. Do it today or stfu.

 

 

Dude... I'm in and out of the doctor's office constantly. I've been referred to many specialists. I've had all kinds of tests done. MRI, CT scans, boatloads of blood tests, pretty much everything. I've just about had my whole body tested. My family doctor is nearly out of ideas. The neurologist I was seeing pretty much gave up on me. I have an appointment with a psychiatrist next month. I've had that appointment for a while. I've done everything in my power to try and fix my problems. I haven't ignored any advice. What more do you expect me to do? If you wish for me to shut the fuck up, as you say, I will. But you can't tell me I'm wasting time and ignoring advice. I'm not that stupid.

[Guest Valk0010]

I've got a question for those of you that have went through a similar deconversion, with the stress/anxiety/depression/ocd. Did any of you have symptoms like shakiness (all the time, gets worse when actually doing something), weakness, feeling extremely run down all the time, occasional dizziness/lightheadedness, decreasing vision, lots of floaters, static vision, and all kinds of random floating stuff in your field of vision 24/7? Have any of you experienced this? If so, how did you get it fixed? I've had all this stuff even when I was a Christian, though I was extremely stressed out then, too.

Check yourself into a clinic today.

 

For three months you've refused to do anything to help yourself. Your questions have been addressed repeatedly. You've hinted at suicide a couple of times to keep us interested. Pleas to get help go ignored - once you even said you "didn't have time to call." What kind of bullshit is that? Quit wasting time here and go get professional help. Do it today or stfu.

 

 

I've been to my family doctor MANY times about this stuff. I've been to several specialists. I've had ALL KINDS of tests done. MRI, CT scans, heart tests, all kinds of blood tests, (I'm even waiting for results for one that I had the other day) everything. I've pretty much had my whole body tested. No doctors can find anything. I have an appointment with a psychiatrist next month. What more exactly do you expect me to do? There's nothing else I CAN do. The neurologist I've been seeing pretty much gave up on me. I've done everything in my power to try to fix myself. I haven't ignored any advice. I'll shut the fuck up if you wish, but you can't say I'm not doing anything, because I am.

 

You know, part of me thinks is psychological. Or at least, basically your one head.

 

There is also something called the placebo effect, and while not totally relevant, it has no apparent signs at least on test and things. It is essentially all in the head.

 

I dunno, but I think somehow in your mind(deep down) this hell, you place in yourself was something that by your own action, built in by Christianity.

 

And it doesn't appear in the same way that the placebo effect doesn't either.

 

Its like, its nothing specifically wrong with you, its just in your head kindof thing

[Guest confused idiot]

You know, part of me thinks is psychological. Or at least, basically your one head.

 

There is also something called the placebo effect, and while not totally relevant, it has no apparent signs at least on test and things. It is essentially all in the head.

 

I dunno, but I think somehow in your mind(deep down) this hell, you place in yourself was something that by your own action, built in by Christianity.

 

And it doesn't appear in the same way that the placebo effect doesn't either.

 

Its like, its nothing specifically wrong with you, its just in your head kindof thing

 

Yeah, maybe. Something tells me that won't be an easy thing to fix.

[Overcame Faith]

Hi, confused. If there's something in your head, you can get it out. Your situation is not hopeless, by no means.

[Overcame Faith]

By the way, you know if you want to talk real time, you can go into the chat room. You can even have private chats where no one else can see what is going on but you and the person to whom you are chatting.

[Guest confused idiot]

By the way, you know if you want to talk real time, you can go into the chat room. You can even have private chats where no one else can see what is going on but you and the person to whom you are chatting.

 

I've been in the chat before. I'd rather not bring any of my shit into it, though.

[Guest confused idiot]

I'm leaving the forums.

 

I don't know what path I'm gonna take, or what will happen, but I don't have much hope for the future. Regardless, this thread has reached 74 pages, and that needs to stop.

 

Thanks for all the advice and support, and just for listening and letting me post here for this long. I don't know if I could have made it this long if it wasn't for that.

[Phanta]

You're welcome. Good luck!

 

Phanta

[Guest Valk0010]

Might be good to pin this for later people in his similar circumstance.

[Snakefoot]

What about the earth being closer to the sun or further away we wouldn't be here? If that truly is the case, maybe that IS why we are HERE and NOT on Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, or our moon. The conditions were right on earth for life as we know it to come about. The conditions were not right on the other planets as far as we know. Does that make sense?

Put another way: Earth was not made for Man; Man evolved from Earth and is part of it.

[Guest Perfect Insanity]

Just when I thought this thread was dead.

 

What about the earth being closer to the sun or further away we wouldn't be here? If that truly is the case, maybe that IS why we are HERE and NOT on Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, or our moon. The conditions were right on earth for life as we know it to come about. The conditions were not right on the other planets as far as we know. Does that make sense?

Put another way: Earth was not made for Man; Man evolved from Earth and is part of it.

 

You say that like it's a proven fact. Things like that can't be proven. Saying man evolved from the earth is just as much of an opinion as saying earth was made for man is.

[RankStranger]

No, it really isn't just an 'opinion', PI. I'm no biologist, and I'm not interested enough to lay out the case for you. But there's an enormous volume of evidence (fossils, radiometric dating, biology, DNA) that supports the theory of evolution. It's an explanation that nicely ties together many lifetimes' worth of information from a variety of scientific fields.

 

Whereas creationism (aka intelligent design) is based on religious dogma and argument from ignorance (that isn't JUST a pejorative- look up 'argument from ignorance': it's a logical fallacy that accounts for the majority of arguments made by creationists and the like). Creationism/ID doesn't explain anything. It doesn't predict anything. It doesn't give any useful insight into the workings and organization of biology. It's complete and utter bullshit- not equivalent to evolution in any way except among the willfully ignorant.