Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

[WalterP]

3 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said:

 

Again you play this game of avoiding the topics of what matters.

 

How can we trust anything you say about any topic if you won't give direct answers to direct questions?

 

Furthermore, why should we trust your competence in anything when you don't even notice the (permanently displayed ) gender of the person you're in dialogue with?

 

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Right, find anything possible to squabble about. It's sad. Slap around someone that has some curious ideas that might need exploring.

[WalterP]

Just now, pittsburghjoe said:

Right, find anything possible to squabble about. It's sad. Slap around someone that has some curious ideas that might need exploring.

 

No.  

 

I've said nothing about your ideas, Joe.

 

In this thread I've done four things.

 

1.   Ask you whom you worked with to gain your expertise in quantum physics.

 

2.  Draw your attention to the fact that Astreja is female.

 

3.  Comment on your poor attention to detail.

 

4.  Comment of your refusal to give a straight answer to a straight question.

 

It's all there in this thread for you to go back and read over.

 

But, instead of tackling me about something I did say, you're tackling me about something I didn't say.

 

Where's your focus?  Your attention to detail?  Your accuracy?

 

 

[LogicalFallacy]

10 hours ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

He used the words "vector" and "scalar."  What the fuck more do you want from him?

 

Some commonsense man. Is that too much to ask? 

[WalterP]

It's ok, Joe.

 

I can see you on the list of WHO'S ONLINE.

 

The transatlantic time zone difference is working in your favour.

 

It's 10 pm here and I'll be logging off in an hour or so.

 

Then the field is yours.

 

Walter.

 

 

[TheRedneckProfessor]

24 minutes ago, LogicalFallacy said:

 

Some commonsense man. Is that too much to ask? 

You'd be surprised how uncommon common sense is.

[TheRedneckProfessor]

4 hours ago, pittsburghjoe said:

We are in the precursor of what becomes Hell. Do you need told where you are?

Being from Pittsburgh, I can understand why you would think that.

[TheRedneckProfessor]

3 hours ago, TABA said:

scientists say that as the Sun ages it will eventually swell and engulf or incinerate the Earth.  

Ah, yes.  The sun of god returns to earth.  How rapturous. 

[alreadyGone]

1 hour ago, pittsburghjoe said:

Right, find anything possible to squabble about. It's sad. Slap around someone that has some curious ideas that might need exploring.

 

So now you're a victim?

Joe, get a grip on yourself man.

 

You have the option at any time to just walk away.

You are being silly.

 

If your ideas need exploring beyond the limit of where anyone here will walk with you, then take those ideas to a Christian forum and work them out there.

Surely there are those among the believers online who would be willing to discuss... whatever it is we've actually been discussing.

 

No one here has pulled any punches with you.

I know I have been clear, and I think it's true that everyone here has been clear and open with you:  we don't believe that you know anything about this supposed conjunction of Christian dogma and physics.

We don't believe that you know anything about it because we don't believe that there is a God, and because none or nearly none of what you've posted about physics and wave energy etc makes sense to anyone here.

 

I doubt that if I or most of those here believed in God that we would find any meaning in these things you're saying. But then again, someone or more on a discussion forum where they do believe (christianchat?) may agree with you or help you work out more detail and how to better present and express it.

 

Here though... it's the Lion's Den.

Honestly, when I joined here not long ago, though I had already put my belief in God behind me, I was a little shocked in a way at the name Lion's Den.

But... it fits. It has a specific purpose within the site.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[alreadyGone]

8 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

Being from Pittsburgh, I can understand why you would think that.

 

Why can I not have dispensation to have, just this one time, the ability to apply 20 laughing emoji thingys ???

 

I gotta believe even Joe got a good laugh out of that.

Well played, sir!

[pittsburghjoe]

I'm not humorless. Yes, it was funny. Did you not think the Water Boy video clip was funny because I was the one that posted it?

 

Yes, call this place the Lion's Den, whatever, If you don't think I'm willing to die for this you're crazy. This sh!t is ending in our lifetimes.

[alreadyGone]

1 hour ago, pittsburghjoe said:

 

Satan was the first to Sin. For the thousandths time it's called FREE WILL.

 

Again, by your logic, free will itself = sin.

 

And I'll repeat...

If you believe that an all-powerful God is sovereign..  which says all there is to say... then there is no free will.

You know how much evil is in the world..  How brutal and vicious human beings can be. And you know that the bible states that reality over and over.

The bible tells you both directly, and in bible-allegory and metaphors that this is so.. That humans are dangerous creatures and that Satan is driving those humans to be evil, at the same time that the bible says humans are evil and dangerous by nature, Satan aside.

 

So, given the above.... my analogy stands:

Shove a mouse into a cage with two snakes.

Provide that mouse with food, water, nesting materials, all he needs to live.

Then tell him to take note of the two snakes as you lock the door behind him  telling him, "Its OK little mouse, you have free will".

 

You ignored this analogy when I posted it previously in your other thread.

Tell me now how you can possibly present the above as making any rational sense at all.  Any.

 

  

 

 

 

 

[TheRedneckProfessor]

3 hours ago, mwc said:

     I searched for "double slit" and wound up at PornHub.  "O God" indeed.

 

          mwc

 

Come quickly, lord.

[pittsburghjoe]

2 minutes ago, alreadyGone said:

 

Again, by your logic, free will itself = sin.

 

And I'll repeat...

If you believe that an all-powerful God is sovereign..  which says all there is to say... then there is no free will.

You know how much evil is in the world..  How brutal and vicious human beings can be. And you know that the bible states that reality over and over.

The bible tells you both directly, and in bible-allegory and metaphors that this is so.. That humans are dangerous creatures and that Satan is driving those humans to be evil, at the same time that the bible says humans are evil and dangerous by nature (post Adam/Eve's fall).

 

So, given the above.... my analogy stands:

Shove a mouse into a cage with two snakes.

Provide that mouse with food, water, nesting materials, all he needs to live.

Then tell him to take note of the two snakes as you lock the door behind him as you tell him, "Its OK little mouse, you have free will".

 

You ignored this analogy when I posted it previously in your other thread.

Tell me now how you can possibly present the above as making any rational sense at all.  Any.

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

THIS PLACE IS SIN

Anything that happens here is our fault. This is not what God wanted for us. We chose to follow Satan here. Funny how Satan is seen as a snake.

[alreadyGone]

8 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said:

 

THIS PLACE IS SIN

Anything that happens here is our fault. This is not what God wanted for us. We chose to follow Satan here. Funny how Satan is seen as a snake.

 

Then it's the fault of Adam.

Adam for not keeping a short leash on his wife, who clearly needed direct supervision at all times, like a child.

 

Joe, didja ever ask....  How would anyone writing portions of the collected scripture (Genesis) have the foggiest notion of what did or did not take place in the Garden?

 

Did Adam keep a journal?

How many millennia had already passed since year one in the Garden, at the time Genesis was penned?

 

 

 

 

[pittsburghjoe]

God made sure the Guide would be a Good Guide.

 

2 Corinthians 4:18

 

"For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal"

 

via Uriel Anderson

[TheRedneckProfessor]

And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.  Genesis 2:15-17

 

 

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.  Genesis 3:1-3

 

@pittsburghjoe, where did Eve get the idea that they weren't allowed to touch the fruit?

 

 

[◊ Krowb ◊]

This looks awfully familiar:

 

https://www.quora.com/If-Adam-and-Eve-were-created-physical-why-wasnt-the-Son-of-God-physical-before-original-sin-Now-this-I-say-brethren-that-flesh-and-blood-cannot-inherit-the-kingdom-of-God-neither-doth-corruption-inherit-incorruption

 

Took a moment to google that via Uriel Anderson above.

[pittsburghjoe]

4 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.  Genesis 2:15-17

 

 

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.  Genesis 3:1-3

 

@pittsburghjoe, where did Eve get the idea that they weren't allowed to touch the fruit?

 

 

 

If you touch it you see Satan as a lowercase god. Pretty sure God would have told them to avoid that also ..it just didn't make the Book.

[alreadyGone]

22 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said:

God made sure the Guide would be a Good Guide.

 

2 Corinthians 4:18

 

"For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal"

 

via Uriel Anderson

 

Oh hell, are you even over the age of 14?

 

The scripture you cite isn't even relevant to the first statement "God made sure the Guide would be a Good Guide."

 

What you're saying here is the too-typical common argument:

Why God? Because the Bible.  Why the Bible? Because God, silly!
 

A perfect 360-degree circle.

 

 

 

[pittsburghjoe]

It is relevant to this entire thread. ..all of my threads.

[TheRedneckProfessor]

Just now, pittsburghjoe said:

 

If you touch it you see Satan as a lowercase god. Pretty sure God would have told them to avoid that also ..it just didn't make the Book.

Where did Eve get the idea that they weren't allowed to touch the fruit, joe?  god never said anything about touching the fruit.  He only said they couldn't eat it.

 

Assuming god said something that isn't in the text is just that: an assumption.  This is the most critical commandment god ever gave.  The fate of the entire world hung on this commandment being obeyed.  He would have been very clear in his instruction, and not left anything to chance or assumption.

 

So, joe, where did Eve get the idea that she wasn't allowed to touch the fruit?

[WalterP]

5 minutes ago, pittsburghjoe said:

 

If you touch it you see Satan as a lowercase god. Pretty sure God would have told them to avoid that also ..it just didn't make the Book.

 

So god did tell her, but we can't read what he told her, because those instructions never made the book?

 

Making Eve look like she was wrong or lying about god's instructions.

 

That's real fair on Eve.

[alreadyGone]

1 minute ago, WalterP said:

...

That's real fair on Eve.

 

Fair? Within the God myth?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

3 minutes ago, TheRedneckProfessor said:

Where did Eve get the idea that they weren't allowed to touch the fruit, joe?  god never said anything about touching the fruit.  He only said they couldn't eat it.

 

Assuming god said something that isn't in the text is just that: an assumption.  This is the most critical commandment god ever gave.  The fate of the entire world hung on this commandment being obeyed.  He would have been very clear in his instruction, and not left anything to chance or assumption.

 

So, joe, where did Eve get the idea that she wasn't allowed to touch the fruit?

 

I'd be concerned if she didn't know that.